Rants: Why serious, mature gamers who still enjoy fun with their mates need to own a game-ready PC and a Game Cube, NOT an Xbox!
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>and let's face it I could be if I really wanted to be.
>I could go out there tomorrow and buy the most
>expensive, uber-powerful, games ready PC on the market
>that would make ALL of your machines look like they
>were still stuck in the Sinclair era.
No you couldn't, unless you were willing to spend oh about .... £2000 or
more. Because it takes time to build up an uber PC, because there's a lot of
hidden extras. However, for a grand you could get a REALLY REALLY good one
as good as mine and my brother's, but you wouldn't have any of the stuff that we
have with it. But the unit *itself* would be a fast pc able to play anything
out on the market and then some. But absolutely nothing currently out for
sale makes anything out now, or out in the last year or so, look
'Sinclair' ish or crap. Your use of insult is poor.
The point is
>this, if I was a game ready pc owning n00b the last
>thing I'd want to own would be a gamecube.
Statistics prove you wrong. LOADS of PC owning 'n00bs' want Game Cubes
because they are:
a) PORTABLE. It's tiny. Smallest console ever. It even has a handle & it's
own screen you can take to make it into a TV or portable GC! Nintendo built
it with portability in mind.
b) Easy to pick up & play casually, for F.U.N with one's friends. Screw
'serious' gaming, what you're not thinking of in your whole argument is
the PC already mentioned, *that* is where the serious gaming goes on and
there is no more serious place to play. If you 'had a pc' as you state in
this argument, then you would certainly not want an Xbox. What for? That's
what this whole discussion has been about. And I have yet to find a single
reason worth 300-400 pounds for a pc owning 'n00b' to buy one.
c) Titles you JUST CAN'T GET ON A PC. And never will. NO OTHER CONSOLE
PRESENTS YOU WITH THIS PROBLEM, since all the others (all two of them, the PS2 and the Xbox) have
dozens and dozens of multi format titles (AKA PC-ports) coming out on them.
I own a PC. I don't need an Xbox. If an Xbox was £5, I might buy one, though
I have no idea where I'd stash the huge thing. It's bigger than my Sky
decoder! The point is, for me, a pc-owning 'n00b', to want to buy an Xbox,
there has to be the following:
1. Enough Xbox exclusives which are really ground-breaking (for example, an
exclusive of 'Plumbers don't wear ties II' wouldn't make me buy one) to make
me foot the bill for the **whole console** & accessories, since the rest of
the NON exclusive, multi-format games I can buy on my PC with better graphs
and online gaming, and patch-ability and modability (Max Payne Kung Fu mod,
Counter-Strike mod are just two of the best-known examples, but almost
every PC game nowadays has mods and patches of some sort).
2. A huge drop in the price of the Xbox, because as a pc owner, I won't pay
more than £29.99 for even a new game on the Xbox which is avail' on the PC,
because it will never be more than £29.99 on the PC (and that's without any
special offers, deals or me using my loyalty card)
I mean
>let's face it who wants to play tarted up re-reruns of
>Zelda, Mario or F-Zero for the thousandth hundredth
>time.
They are not the same game at all. They ain't tarted up re runs. Only
n00bish games mags would write that. There again, this whole post reads just
like a typical, cynical 'lets attack the opposition to make our readers feel
they certainly DO have the world's best console!' article.
I stopped reading that sort of garbage years ago because even when I had my NES
and knew it wiped the floor with the Master System, I still loved playing certain games on my MS and knew it was fun.
Anyone blasting the airwaves with gunk was ignored then, and they're still ignored now.
Give me solid, concrete answers to bullet points if you want to say anything about the GC or the Xbox,
not 'elephant-hurling' as demonstrated in the above sentence.
Elephant hurling - This is where the critic throws summary arguments about complex issues to give the impression
of weighty evidence, but with an un-stated presumption that a large complex of underlying ideas is true,
and failing to consider opposing data, usually because they have uncritically accepted the arguments from their own side.
But we should challenge elephant-hurlers to offer ***specifics*** and challenge the underlying assumptions.
And yes, Mario Sunshine does look virtually
>identical in terms of playability to Mario 64.
Oh, so you've *played* on it, I take it.
[Editor’s note: This email was written before Mario Sunshine came out in the UK.
I had seen it at game shows at least twice, and was fully aware that my rival in this debate
had not seen it running in real life with his own eyes yet, and certainly therefore had not played it!]
That's how one tests playability.
I'll take a wild *stab* in the dark here...I am guessing you:
a) haven't played it and
b) probably aren't planning to either so you'll never know and your rather
shallow (imho) view of it as being 'virtually identical in terms of
playability to Mario 64' has simply been fed to you by some magazine/video.
If you mean it *looks* the same, don't say you mean it plays the same. Say
what you mean. Otherwise you just come off sounding a bit silly.
Or
>maybe I was wrong, maybe there are plenty of people
>who want to suck up to the big N's anti-Europe
>campaign
Anti-Europe? We had the lowest release price in terms of comparison to
anywhere with that price drop to £130 for Launch Day.
by actually going out and buying copies of
>these finite games.
*All* games are finite. Only those on a **PC** are NOT because they can be
modded/upgraded directly and patched. N00b :P
But then I guess, it's just a
>shame that I'm not so easily led by the current crop
>of trendsetters
You're certainly being led by someone because you don't have either of the
machines here that you're bashing (Game-ready PC or a GC). I have a GBA at least and a PC.
I'd like a GC but it's not going to happen right now, but I use my brother's.
who so unfalteringly fail to realise
>that their own games machine could not handle such
>accomplished games as Halo or Dead Or Alive 3.
I have a machine that can handle /both/. [Editor's note: The Game Cube can handle DOA III
and Halo exactly the same way the Xbox can, this is a lame argument because the GC definitely could run both
those titles cited just as smoothly.]
Really that's all that matters to me, and to all the other people with cash and a desire to play games, *not* brandy-ism-ing.
All I need to play all the games that are great or looking to be great and fun is a pc and a GC.
No argument thus far has even come /close/ to proving this wrong.
it doesn't exactly have ANY killer launch titles
>other than Super Monkey Ball which ironically enough
>is a Sega game and not a Nintendo one.
And this matters...why? It's a GC game. It's great. Who cares who made it?
Sega make great stuff arcade wise, they just sucked royally at making
hardware and then supporting it, and I've never said anything other than
that about them. What's more, gamecube.com shows they did and still do have killer titles,
it all depends on if you need to go to the Xbox to get your
'serious' gaming experience, whereas I go to my PC. To me, a title which
gets mates around a console like monkey ball is just as killer as Biohazard
or Halo because it's fun that matters when playing games, more than
anything, anything else. On a console. If you want serious, the pc is where
you ought to be, and I fail to see how the Xbox can compete as a ‘serious’ place to be,
when as I’ve already shown and no one has argued back with any facts whatsoever,
the PC is untouchable due to it’s online nature.
Roll on Enclave for Xbox then, a mature
>game for mature gamers who DON'T want to play yet
>another Zelda or Mario clone on a kids console.
You're on your own there, Swag. Millions of mature gamers DO and I was in a
night club called the boiler room filled with gamers wanting to play on what
you call kid's games. Why do you say things that simply are your opinion but
not actually shared by the vast, vast majority of fun-filled mature gamers
who DO like to have fun on games like Mario Golf and Mario Tennis as well as hit the
PC controls to frag the living hell out of each other on the latest FPS hit?
Frankly, everyone isn't like you and everyone isn't like me...but at least I
am not saying they are all like I am. I know there's a lot of people who
don't like the GC, but millions more DO. Millions more people will be
playing the PC version of Halo than the Xbox one simply because more
serious, mature gamers as you call them have PCs than Xboxes, and that is
simple statistics.
Serious gamers have PCs and millions of them want GCs and lots have bought them.
Because they are fun and cheap and easy and have great, fun games on them. For all the bullet pointed reasons I put above.
NONE of which have been answered by anyone or addressed. All I get is the same tired old
arguments and elephant hurling techniques.
I'm a mature gamer, and I have a game-ready PC which I'm very content with.
I also would like a GC to play the great fun games out on that as well, with my mates, and also for portability reasons too.
It seems from the world outside your door and my door that there's a lot more chilled gamers like me
who aren't sticking to their Xbox like it's their alter piece, than gamers like you who can't admit the
GC does a lot of good stuff and that PC owners don't need Xboxes, and that want to have some weird form of brand loyalty
and go around saying one console is the only thing to own.
-=George=-
A happy 'PC-owning n00b', apparently. Oh, and a serious, mature gamer as well. Who likes Monkeyball.